tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32774679.post7138590910750107846..comments2023-11-15T07:14:06.265+00:00Comments on Catholic Action UK: UK Life League jumps on gore bandwagonUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32774679.post-67114072739700232642009-03-24T18:14:00.000+00:002009-03-24T18:14:00.000+00:00Oh yes great! And haven't they done well. After al...Oh yes great! And haven't they done well. After all they've abolished abortion in their countries, haven't they? Er, no. On the contrary, in the US they've just elected the most anti-life President in history.<BR/><BR/>Do we want to bring the poisoned and polarised debate over here? No thanks!Herculeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02315335341007019884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32774679.post-88029622709225787982009-03-24T13:38:00.000+00:002009-03-24T13:38:00.000+00:00"Why do the UKLL think that pictures of dead babie..."Why do the UKLL think that pictures of dead babies will help the pro-life cause?"<BR/><BR/>Perhaps because organizations such as the <BR/><A HREF="http://www.cbrinfo.org/gap.html" REL="nofollow"> Center for Bioethical Reform</A>, <BR/><A HREF="http://vidahumana.org" REL="nofollow"> Vida Humana International</A>, <BR/><A HREF="http://www.priestsforlife.org/" REL="nofollow"> Priests for Life</A>, <BR/><A HREF="http://www.hli.org/" REL="nofollow"> Human Life International</A> <BR/>have all used them successfully for many years and in many countries. The relative weakness of the pro-life movement in the UK may well be due to its lukewarmness in this respect.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32774679.post-24106965029396667612009-03-18T14:30:00.000+00:002009-03-18T14:30:00.000+00:00On the last point UKLL can do what it like and I c...On the last point UKLL can do what it like and I can criticise them as a I like.<BR/><BR/>Your examples are all of images directed to believers. Gibson's film famously horrified non-believers: have you forgotten already?<BR/><BR/>The differences of tactics between pro-lifers need to be aired and thrashed out if the movement is not to remained fractured and ineffective.Herculeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02315335341007019884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32774679.post-60487595072224163092009-03-17T23:34:00.000+00:002009-03-17T23:34:00.000+00:00I believe that there are legitimate differences of...I believe that there are legitimate differences of opinion and approaches within the pro-life movement, but that when people go out of their way to set out to sow divisions as you are doing, then you are dancing to the Devil's drum beat.<BR/><BR/>I can only add that I have used such images when talking to 6th formers on scores of occasions and the response has been overwhelmingly positive - especially from young women. I would have thought that showing a picture of an aborted child would underline the aggression of the abortionist, not of the person displaying the picture - leastways it would for anyone moderately intelligent.<BR/><BR/>There have been numerous saints who have used the crucifix in their missionary activities, and a crucifix is an aggressive image of a mutilated body. <BR/><BR/>On the basis of your argument, Mel Gibson's film, The Passion of the Christ would have to be condemned as a disgusting anti-Catholic work. After all, we all know that killing God is wrong; we don't need pictures of it. Showing such pictures surely suggest that we do not have any arguments to support out belief that killing God was wrong.<BR/><BR/>In any case, why do you feel that the UK Life League should be restricted to what Catholic approve or don't approve?<BR/><BR/>GrahamDon McGovernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222558124994405796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32774679.post-91794811025272142342009-03-17T15:51:00.000+00:002009-03-17T15:51:00.000+00:00Splitting hairs?? Tearing them out might be more a...Splitting hairs?? Tearing them out might be more accurate.<BR/><BR/>These guys are doing damage to the pro-life cause. The Church has never done anything like this. And in any case it doesn't work - it's counter productive. Images, yes: images of babies in the womb have a powerful effect, they are great. Images of dead and mutilated ones get across the message that we are aggressive and have no arguments. They play right up to the stereotype.Herculeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02315335341007019884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32774679.post-5969759328161843172009-03-17T13:11:00.000+00:002009-03-17T13:11:00.000+00:00You are splitting really hairs now my friend.I can...You are splitting really hairs now my friend.<BR/><BR/>I can assure you that many of us where deeply moved my the the horrific pictures to come out of Nazi concentration camps after WW2.<BR/><BR/>However, I am content to leave you to your strangly gnostic like disinbodied spiritual existance. You are clearly on a higher plane than the rest of us mere mortals who sometime need messy things that we can see and indeed grasp.<BR/><BR/>GrahamDon McGovernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222558124994405796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32774679.post-16651294588556416762009-03-17T12:33:00.000+00:002009-03-17T12:33:00.000+00:00Directed to unbelievers?Do missionaries to the pag...Directed to unbelievers?<BR/><BR/>Do missionaries to the pagans say: look at what your sins have done to Our Lord? Of course not.Herculeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02315335341007019884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32774679.post-18367428226819516192009-03-16T23:35:00.000+00:002009-03-16T23:35:00.000+00:00How about a crucifix?GrahamHow about a crucifix?<BR/><BR/>GrahamDon McGovernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222558124994405796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32774679.post-41059613304112119562009-03-16T15:43:00.000+00:002009-03-16T15:43:00.000+00:00Graham, try thinking of a SINGLE example of the Ch...Graham, try thinking of a SINGLE example of the Church using shock images to persuade non-believers of ANYTHING.<BR/><BR/>If you succeed, let us know!Herculeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02315335341007019884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32774679.post-82330279799565378622009-03-15T20:58:00.000+00:002009-03-15T20:58:00.000+00:00This has to be one of the daftest arguments that I...This has to be one of the daftest arguments that I have every read. And its sad to read it on an otherwise superb blog.<BR/><BR/>The Church has taught the faith for 2000 years using visual images. Pulitzer picture of Kim Phuc fleeing naked from Napalm in Trang Bang, South Vietnam 1972 put the last nail in the coffin of American support for the Vietnam war. One could give a dozen examples of the visual image changing the course of history.<BR/><BR/>GrahamDon McGovernhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06222558124994405796noreply@blogger.com